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Front Loaded Bots - Detailed Summary

Front Loaded Bots - Detailed Summary

Feb 11, 2022

These bots are generally suitable for bullish markets/coins but the risks are higher due to being harder close deals if you start dropping too deep. Where you make the money is if deals are constantly closing early or not dropping much and closing. Where they start to suffer further down when the "Required change %" gets out of hand and without manual adding funds, you really could be waiting a very very long time for a deal to close, and having quite a bit of funds stuck due to higher bot costs.

A typical frontloaded bot has something a ratio of something like 100:10 so Base order of $100 and Safety order of $10. This means the volume starts very heavy at the beginning and to counter the bot costing too much, you need a very low safety order to keep costs low. Also to run a setting like this, it only makes sense if you are making a much higher ROI than any other setting of the same costs. When you are not achieving this and getting stuck with more red bags, you really shouldn't even be thinking of running these settings, and I've seen many people in deep red bags (negative) that seem have no chance of closing anytime soon even after 3 months.

Lets have a look at the current community type front loaded bots, and a quick summary of them.

MIZUKAGE V3.1 - costs $1.1k
TP: 3.0%, BO: 100.0, SO: 10.0, SOS: 0.35%, OS: 1.0, SS: 1.01, MSTC 100
These settings are really aggressive, and in a bullish market, they do generate high ROI, but they are very weak if you fall deep enough and very hard to close in profit and most likely to leave you with red bags. For the high risks, you want high ROI reward, but it even falls behind other cheap bots in terms of ROI in a bear market. Only recommended with strong coins that you are comfortable holding and in very bullish markets.
I don't like the amount of safety orders needed, because I think many of the safety orders don't actually do much in DCAing down your average price. Also not great for Tax reporting, as each safety order filled counts as a transaction, so you may need to pay higher prices when doing your tax returns for unlimited transactions.
Where you really need to start thinking about manually intervening is when they drop more than 30% and maybe start manually adding funds.
Where it performs best is when the price range drops stays between 0% to 20% drops before closing.
Anything over 40% drop, and you are already in big trouble if you don't think about manually add funds to dca down.

First example below in a bearish market, 69 days running from 2nd December with Random coins shows loads of red bags where the uNPL is 4.9k! And your Actual ROI is way too high.

Which better coins selection, you are still struggling. But slightly better, still able to come out on top in the end after taking ages to recover. 1.9k uNPL and still not quite in Profit. ROI is only 0.19% when compared to a Mars at 0.18% ROI for a much safer option. In a bullish market, you should see better ROI so wait till its better to run these settings if you still like them

KIRIGAKURE V2 - Costs 1.8k
TP: 3.0%, BO: 100.0, SO: 10.0, SOS: 1.25%, OS: 1.01, SS: 0.98, MSTC 100
These settings are still front loaded at 100:10, but the gaps are more spaced out, and you start adding more safety orders at smaller gaps as you drop further to try help, but tbh, its not really pushing the RC% down much as really the volume added needs to increase a bit more. Having 100 Safety orders is still overkill imo, and lots of wasted safety orders, and extra unnecessary transactions. This is just for me, I prefer the lower amount of safety orders, but I like the fact it keeps RC% quite low, and much safer than the MIZUKAGE. At worst, even if you drop down to the max safety orders, the RC% is still only 31% which is a 54.2% drop so it's not bad and overall for a frontloaded setting. It can do ok in bearish markets but its not the safest type setting.
You can pretty much set and forget and only start worrying when it fills all 100/100 safety orders. And then decide do you add funds, or wait it out. If you want to start adding funds manually, once it drops past 25% RC% (40 safety orders) or 30% RC% (57 safety orders) then that's where I would consider intervening.

Bad and Random coins - From spreadsheet ROI is too low for the risk, but at least its not too badly in red bags, it can work out ok, and with manual intervention and having spare funds, you can be ok.

Good Coins - Shows we can still rely on both Kiri to make ok ROI. I'd be comfortable running them in even during the bearish market, but it doesn't outperform a cheap bot in ROI. So its in-between a cheap bot and a TA Standard in terms of ROI, and same for how safe it is, its an average safeish setting. Nothing stands out, but both Kiri's are decent.
KIRIGAKURE V4 - Costs $922
TP: 3.0%, BO: 50.0, SO: 10.0, SOS: 1.50%, OS: 1.02, SS: 0.99, MSTC 51

Main difference is the Gaps are a big bigger at start, and half the safety orders so I prefer the less safety orders. But sadly the flaw with this is it goes downhill after a 40% drop (31 safety orders) and RC% starts falling apart. So it the rest of the safety orders ain't doing enough to bring Average price down after that point. at 40% drop you need 30.6% RC%. At 50% drop, you need now 40% RC% which is getting really out of hand. Then at 60% drop, you are needing a 51% bounce RC%! This is designed more aggressive, and only really works well when price stays best in the 0% to 30% range where it will provide nice ROI and no red bags.
Manual intervention is needed more and its like the Mizukage, its shouldn't be run passively. Or it should just cover up to 40% drop at 31 safety orders and if you are comfortable manually adding funds after that point. Then its more optimum to try close that deal to rescue the money stuck in the bot. Obviously you will need to inject more than what the table view would add to help bring the average price down to a more lower RC% and do your own calculations to decide if its worth it before adding funds, or just run it passively with all 51 safety orders and just add more here and there.
Just looking at the above two screenshots, you can see the Kiri V2 is struggling a bit more than the V4 in a bearish market. V4's will make a bit more ROI in general than V2 due to less safety orders.

Jora1 by Jupiter-Orange - Costs $737
TP: 3.0%, BO: 75.0, SO: 10.0, SOS: 1.20%, OS: 1.19, SS: 1.12, MSTC 15
This is another newer front loaded bot, and was made by Jupiter-Orange who was inspired by the Kiri settings but wanted to not be as aggressive, and have less safety orders but use a ratio of 75:10. This ticks a few boxes for me as its less transactions for tax reasons. A positive OS which means you are adding more volume as you start filling more safety orders to help push average price down.
Whether is performs well in bullish markets we don't know that well yet. But from my Paper tests hosted by CamTR the stats for the bearish month we had were pretty good.

It was able to close deals on the Set 1 Good coins selection and the Set 2 random coins selection. ROI was among the higher, but its still slightly in the negative in Actual ROI and Actual profit for random coins. Definitely something to keep an eye on or paper tests yourself to see if it suits your strategy.

Joras Perform best in bullish markets where the drop is 0-24%, but can still do fairly good with keeping RC% low up to a 33% drop, but the last two safety orders (14,15) are 38% drop and RC% 28.6% and a 44% drop for 34% RC%. So in big drops, you are only covering till 44% drop and manual intervention or waiting is needed. Whether this coverage is enough for a set and forget, I'm not sure myself without tons more real data but having spare funds would be my ideal scenario just incase.
This setting has good potential and I need to really run a longer comparison and gather more data, but I think this has great potential myself.

Required change % side by side and Estimated profits

Now have a look at the Required change spreadsheet for the Frontloaded settings. If you just want to look at a side by side RC% as you start dropping, the screenshot below is more than enough. The green and yellow are where you want most of the deals to be closing at, and orange is starting to get more difficult to close. Red are getting much harder to close.
What you should also look at is the table view for each of the settings and also look at the RC% fully for each safety order as you drop, what the gaps are in the safety orders, You find at the end, its too crammed with loads of safety orders and its hardly pushing RC% down. Also you should look at the extra column I made in the "Estimated profits" to just get an idea what kind of profits you would make when closing after dropping down a certain deviation, and seeing where the weight of profit is for each setting.
My favorites from the current settings from the data is the Jora, then the Kiri V2. Mizukage for very strong markets. Run your own tests or decide what setting fits you if you prefer to have a front loaded setting.
I've got a Test 4 in the Additional early access paper tests for members which is using similar settings to Jora, but because its rather newly tested with enough real forward tested data, I'm gathering more Paper tests. But this is where I'm experimenting with a front loaded but not too extreme, the Ratio is 40:15. But I don't want to cover it much unless it looks promising later. The Test 4 Passive isn't really something I'm keen on as it looks very weak for the RC% (Standard is 15 safety orders, the passive is with the additional 2 safety orders to make it 17 - check screenshot about or the Front loaded settings Required change Spreadsheet above) Test 4 attempts to close deals quicker, and only be a bit frontloaded, in attempt to make still good ROI.
I hope this has been useful, if you want more backtested data, then read part 2, but if you are not interested in frontloaded settings, skip that post.

We should see much better ROI in a bullish market, and that's when the front loaded settings will shine again, but at least its comforting to know some of the settings can still do ok in a bearish market. De-risking by reducing bots, and having spare funds and learning how to add funds via the red bags video I made also makes sense to be able to get yourself out of a messy situation.

Thanks for reading! Appreciate any feedback via DM.

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